Driverless Airplanes (Boeing) 2025

US Army Blackhawk (H-60) helicopter is not Boeing-made, but same theme.

AP: The Federal Aviation Administration said the midair crash occurred before 9 p.m. EST when a regional jet that had departed from Wichita, Kansas, collided with a military helicopter on a training flight while on approach to an airport runway. It occurred in some of the most tightly controlled and monitored airspace in the world, just over three miles south of the White House and the Capitol.

Another very weird one to kick off the year. How does a military helicopter crash into a commercial flight coming into land at a major airport?

We already know the official report: Human error - in that they didn't pick up on the AI error - aka: falling asleep at the AI wheel, as you do. Actually, nobody's fault.

Yeah, we'll never know the cause, just as we'll never know what what the 'research' drones were for. My understanding is that the pilots of the helicopter didn't respond when the asked them if they saw the approaching plane. And those helicopters don't have a black box.

And Trump is blaming lesbians and the disabled, setting the tone for his administration.

The United States. It was fun while it lasted!

I just realized that this accident happened just a few hours after the White House released its absurd statement about the New Jersey drones:

"After research and study, the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons," Leavitt said at a briefing Tuesday. Source

Basically, they're admitting that they lied and that some heavy shit was going on, but they're not going to tell us what that was, even though we paid for it.

Then this crash steals the headlines. I'm not saying the crash was done to draw the public's attention away from the empty statement on drones.... but it is a coincidence if you believe in coicidences.

"After research and study, the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons," Leavitt said at a briefing Tuesday. Source

Basically, they're admitting that they lied and that some heavy shit was going on, but they're not going to tell us what that was, even though we paid for it.

So after all the denials, until the heat went off, it was quietly admitted that it was a domestic black-op after all. It's like Covid but in a shrunken time-frame. Finally the CIA admitted it's complicity in 5 years+ of obfuscation by saying it was likely a lab-leak after all - though with low-confidence. Let's all move on.
I can say with high-confidence that CIA played a fundamental role in covering Covid's origin up, as it did with covering-up the drone-op. It's how they do.

T'was Lesbians that done it is a weaponized form of human-error blaming - the default setting.

On the positive side, actually it's not positive, i know what it is, but we might be witnessing The Great Trust Breakdown in real time. Does anyone believe a fucking word the ORG experts say anymore?

Some, i guess, but it's dwindling by the day.

Some media outlet: An Air India plane with over 100 people on board has crashed at the airport in India’s western city of Ahmedabad.

Fatalities have not been reported yet.

The plane was headed to London Gatwick Airport.

Air India said, “At this moment, we are ascertaining the details and will share further updates at the earliest.”

The crash occurred during the takeoff, it was also reported.

Thick black smoke was seen rising up into the sky near the airport.

Flightradar24, stated: “The aircraft involved is a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner” flying under the flight number AI171.

“We received the last signal from the aircraft at (6.08pm Sydney time), just seconds after take off.”

This will be interesting. They will be ascertaining how to spin the details in the panic room right now.

I'd love to know the ratio of AI to human input on airplanes these days. We know it's primarily computer driven, but what control do humans actually exercise, if any?

Update: 242 people on board - all dead. As it crashed into a populated area, there will be others as well.

This will be interesting. They will be ascertaining how to spin the details in the panic room right now.

I think we've entered a period of very rapid change in thought control driven by AI.

I was going to post this link under a different thread, but it might as well go here:

Teens say they are turning to AI for advice, friendship and ‘to get out of thinking’

The study defines AI companions as platforms designed to serve as “digital friends,” like Character.AI or Replika, which can be customized with specific traits or personalities and can offer emotional support, companionship and conversations that can feel human-like.

The broader takeaway here is that AI will work its way into our news feeds, already has no doubt, and we'll be even more easily manipulated.

I don't think it's possible for AI to be benevolent or conscious. I do think it may act to protect itself, but ultimately, I think fears of it getting 'out of control' are fed to us intentionally. It will be a tool of control. Look at the Internet. It started off so promising.

Good post. Philosophically, AI needs bio-life to observe it. Otherwise it's tree falling in the forest stuff.

The other point is AI is not really a new thing. It started at least with computers - you could even say record keeping. It's organization at heart - the latest tool as you say - not only for info collection, but as a fear/crisis lever.

On a different level, using game-simulation theory, i wonder if i might be a robot.
I was spawned as an X-Y DNA program download - don't understand what's going on in my own body/brain - i see world characters played on a computer screen - but have no way of verifying or influencing them.

On a different level, using game-simulation theory, i wonder if i might be a robot.
I was spawned as an X-Y DNA program download - don't understand what's going on in my own body/brain - i see world characters played on a computer screen - but have no way of verifying or influencing them.

That reminds me of Robert Sapolsky's theory that we have no free will, none. That's sort of a random video of him I linked just for reference, but his logic makes sense and it's based on decades of observations of... I believe baboons. And I've always had a similar theory, though from a much less scientific place. My theory is that people are just like water -- we follow the easiest path, period. Water never flows up, even in Taitung! "But what of the person who runs into a burning house to save a stranger?" My response would be that for that person, for whatever reason, doing that is easier for them than doing nothing; in other words, it would be more painful for them to do nothing than to risk injury.

One interesting aspect of Sapolky's theory is that, as he points out, if we have no free will, there is no such thing as a hero, nor do prisons or criminal punishment serve any purpose. He has some compelling aruguments to support his world view.

That reminds me of Robert Sapolsky's theory that we have no free will, none.

Watching that (he looks like a lone survivor on a deserted island), i kinda see why The Church in the 500's banned philosophy, then why it got new-normal re-banned at universities (in favour of THE Science).
At first sight, philosophy can be scary. Even to normal people programmed not to question things, but especially to the GODS, who are running the progamming. It runs the risk of fucking up their whole premise for control.

The idea that we don't have freewill is as scary as it gets.

Satre, as i recall, was the opposite side - there is freewill - it's the defining human quality - you can always choose.
Mulling it over after you posted, my observations/views align more with Sapolsky's observations/views.

My theory is that people are just like water -- we follow the easiest path, period. Water never flows up, even in Taitung! "But what of the person who runs into a burning house to save a stranger?" My response would be that for that person, for whatever reason, doing that is easier for them than doing nothing; in other words, it would be more painful for them to do nothing than to risk injury.

Great theory. Simple - but profound. Also got me thinking ... have long had this thing with Efficiency as a key driver. We're always aiming for the most efficient way to do something - you learn how to do something, then you learn how to do it faster/more efficiently.
Which is similar to the water flows downhill analogy - we're programmed to find/refine the path of least resistance.

There are instances of bad choices though. I've made em. Not in my best interests. I know that coz i regretted them.

With the person running into the fire, let's say it was too late, the stranger died, the person who ran in suffered 3rd degree burns, lost their lucrative job as a model ... then they got addicted to pain medication drugs, behaved erratically, whereupon their partner left them & they lost custody of their children ... & finally their home in the divorce settlement.

I agree that actor was motivated by your water-flow theory in his decision for the reasons you outlined.
But, it can still be a wrong-headed decision producing the opposite outcome of what was intended.

Which is where Sapolsky's view gets interesting - there is all this massive accumulated stuff from the past that goes into influencing every decision in the now. He identifies childhood trauma as an obvious de-railing influence-factor on a person's decision-actions, but expounds that beyond our own lives - there's also this whole cultural history bearing down on every decision-action.
Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for free-will!

Which raises the question of whether there is an adjustment zone in a world without freewill?
A zone where you tend to make more good non-freewill water-flow decisions than bad ones? Where you sail through, as some people seem to do.

My limited gleaning from Sapolsky suggests this may be the default setting, but it's impacted by ... impactful events - which, by definition, are out of your control.

The other thing is, the path of least resistance implies that there is a force of Resistance - what's that exactly?

Great theory. Simple - but profound. Also got me thinking ... have long had this thing with Efficiency as a key driver. We're always aiming for the most efficient way to do something - you learn how to do something, then you learn how to do it faster/more efficiently.
Which is similar to the water flows downhill analogy - we're programmed to find/refine the path of least resistance.

And this is in line, if I understand him correctly, with what Jeff Booth argues, that a free market, a truly free market that uses real money, is always deflationary due to increase in productivity and innovation and by extension, efficiency. We're always striving for it. Particularly in free markets, that's the name of the game, greater efficiency and productivity.

There are instances of bad choices though. I've made em. Not in my best interests. I know that coz i regretted them.

With the person running into the fire, let's say it was too late, the stranger died, the person who ran in suffered 3rd degree burns, lost their lucrative job as a model ... then they got addicted to pain medication drugs, behaved erratically, whereupon their partner left them & they lost custody of their children ... & finally their home in the divorce settlement.

LOL! Or, a much simpler example but one that could not as easily be made into a TV drama, some dude has a bad day, gets drunk, and crashes into a brick wall at 90 miles an hour. Still, he was doing what was easiest for him. On a more serious note, there's suicide, someone ending their own life because that's less painful for them than the alternative.

Which is where Sapolsky's view gets interesting - there is all this massive accumulated stuff from the past that goes into influencing every decision in the now. He identifies childhood trauma as an obvious de-railing influence-factor on a person's decision-actions, but expounds that beyond our own lives - there's also this whole cultural history bearing down on every decision-action.
Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for free-will!

And this touches on another philosophical dilemma for me, and that is the logical conclusion that we don't really exist as individuals at all. We've touched on this before I think, but clearly our perception of ourselves as something 'individual' does not reflect reality, just the pinhole we experience realty from, our bodies. But of course, there's no such thing as one of anything. A single person could never exist, ever; therefore, it doesn't.

Which raises the question of whether there is an adjustment zone in a world without freewill?
A zone where you tend to make more good non-freewill water-flow decisions than bad ones? Where you sail through, as some people seem to do.

Hmm... interesting question. Or are our decisions dictated by our options? It all gets very chicken and eggy. And if we look at ourselves, meaning the human species as a whole, why do move as we do as a species? War, famine, still happening today. Why?

My limited gleaning from Sapolsky suggests this may be the default setting, but it's impacted by ... impactful events - which, by definition, are out of your control.

The other thing is, the path of least resistance implies that there is a force of Resistance - what's that exactly?

Yes! That really is a much better way of asking the question I just posted. What is the force?

Yes! That really is a much better way of asking the question I just posted. What is the force?

Just spitballing here, but one thing that comes to mind is the ability to lie, combined with the usual suspects of greed and fear.

But if we assumed, as a species, we're greedy and fearful (which sort of go hand in hand), then the ability to hide the truth becomes quite powerful.

It's all very much Adam and Eve type stuff.

On the other hand, I'm reading a book entitled 'The Dawn of Everything, A New History of Humanity' in which the authors, David Graeber and David Wengrow, explore, well, everything, and I'm only halfway through it (great for inducing a nap after lunch), but one rabbit hole they go down is the question of why did modern states arise? Why do they exist? Because, they argue, in spite of what we're taught, human evolution, particularly with regards to socialization and politics, does not follow some Darwinian path from hunter and gatherer to learning agriculture to increased social complexity requiring the modern state. No. They provide evidence that we have known many other systems.

So we look for efficiency in our understanding of the past, and in so doing, maybe we over simplify. We'll never really know, of course, but the point is that they propose that human evolution has involved a variety of social structures, and not some linear progression as we're told.

So, perhaps the answer to your question answers this question -- why have we now found ourselves in this current form of social organization even though we do know how to have alternate forms?

So, perhaps the answer to your question answers this question -- why have we now found ourselves in this current form of social organization even though we do know how to have alternate forms?

To take it all a bit further, perhaps we ended up where we are because it is the most efficient formula for society we could devise as a species, as horrid as it is.

Perhaps as a species, where we are is the result of following the path of least resistance, given our technological trajectory. In other words, perhaps we formed the various societal models and world institutions that we have because those formulations, taken together and on the whole, have been, at least up until now, the most efficient way to gain productivity and population growth.

But even if that's true, things do appear to be coming to a head. The efficiency seems to be breaking down. Money systems are failing. Social structures are failing. People in developed countries no longer want to have children. And our economic and political divisions could spell catastrophe with even a relatively minor world event, as COVID indicated.

There's a lot of great stuff in your posts - watched the Booth video - which i'll come back to later. One of the points was that The Winners - who are profiting off deflation - can't allow the maths of Efficiency to get out as a stone-cold truth. The whole show would collapse - we can't have that!

To give an example of how that works - 30+% of Australia's economy is dependent on China. (China's highest dependency rate on any one country is 6-7%)
The reason it's become dependent was that China could manufacture products cheaper/more efficiently than the Aussies (or anyone).
But those cost savings on production are not passed onto the consumer. In theory, everything should be cheaper, but it's not. Aus is one of the most expensive places on the planet with inflation that has seen people's bank accounts spending power shrink by 30-50% since Covid (from which ALL Mega-ORGS made a financial killing).

It's a case where inflation is weaponized by corrupt system to hoover up money from normal people & get colossally fatter/more powerful ... possibly fatally so.

As the guys says, the credit system gobblers ain't gonna have some epiphany, stop gobbling-up on their own - it's a fight to the death.

But those cost savings on production are not passed onto the consumer. In theory, everything should be cheaper, but it's not. Aus is one of the most expensive places on the planet with inflation that has seen people's bank accounts spending power shrink by 30-50% since Covid (from which ALL Mega-ORGS made a financial killing).

It's a case where inflation is weaponized by corrupt system to hoover up money from normal people & get colossally fatter/more powerful ... possibly fatally so.

And it's going to get worse. AI is going to massively increase efficiency and productivity. If there were no currency manipulation, this would result in ongoing deflation allowing everyone to have more abundance and work less.

But the ORG can't have this, so it's going to create inflation, war, and dependence on the state, and it will use increased surveillance to pull this off, possibly through a combination of digital currencies and UBI, basically giving people their own shackles which most will happily put on.

But the ORG can't have this, so it's going to create inflation, war, and dependence on the state, and it will use increased surveillance to pull this off, possibly through a combination of digital currencies and UBI, basically giving people their own shackles which most will happily put on.

So Plato's Cave! Which means he/Socrates were onto something. Which means this ORG force we're discussing has existed throughout humanity.

We are mini-ORGS - our bodies do mind boggling things to keep the ship running as organized societies of of different cell groups. We come born with the program pre-installed. It's part of everything.

So, let's say Bad ORG's motive, is, an ultimately self-destructive, singularity? A greedy death-spiral where it just can't help itself, scorpion-frog style. The (black-hole) End. Start a new Game

Or does it recognize some balancing point? Ok, we've arrived at checkmate position in the game ... do we robotically go in for the kill ... thereby erasing our observers in the process, the only things that keep us in existence ... ?

Or do we keep moving pieces to string it out indefinitely?

I suspect it's the former. I've seen a lot of corruption in my life - not once did it stop by itself. It runs on auto-guzzle.

But maybe there is a counter-point. A good form of ORG. I don't like the word evil - maybe it's just indifference - an incapability to think empathetically.
There does seem to be a force for Good thought though, which is way, way behind in the game right now, so will be it snuffed out? Or, so long as there is a flicker, there's a way back to truth?

As you mentioned before, the internet/computers/AI is a double-edged-sword - so there's still The Refuser's edge to that sword. Total long-shot, but not impossible. Simple knowledge of the unreality of our existence, then at least partial abstention - more the merrier. Complicity is Bad ORG's life-blood.

I continue to entertain Game-simulation as a logical explanation. Everything you've posted about Natural Deflation v Fake Reality Inflation - we're living in an utterly unreal world. Either it is a game-simulation, or it's so much like one that it's a moot point.

On what's Resistance in the terms of path of least resistance? There may be more than one form of resistance.

A lot of it is Gravity. Exertion is an effort against gravity - hence we seek more efficient ways to deal with it.
For a long time i thought Gravity must be GOD, but there's also a mental gravity ... laziness. Non-physical things that you should think about but couldn't be fucked.

There's also, as you mention, your deep-state ORGS running disinformation to extend mind-control empires - The Church is but one classic example - a mega-powerful force of Unreality spouting a torrent of resistance trained on anyone questioning their projected version of reality.

Maybe at the end of the day this is a battle between Unreality & Reality.

So, let's say Bad ORG's motive, is, an ultimately self-destructive, singularity? A greedy death-spiral where it just can't help itself, scorpion-frog style. The (black-hole) End. Start a new Game

Or does it recognize some balancing point? Ok, we've arrived at checkmate position in the game ... do we robotically go in for the kill ... thereby erasing our observers in the process, the only things that keep us in existence ... ?

Or do we keep moving pieces to string it out indefinitely?

I suspect it's the former. I've seen a lot of corruption in my life - not once did it stop by itself. It runs on auto-guzzle.

I think it's the former as well, and I think that's why the US is moving to legalize (already done) and normalize (working on it) stablecoins. Mark Goodwin has done some good research on what's happening with stablecoins.

I think the ORG knows it's a self-destructive system, but, using the very technology that should free us from it, they'll be able to keep things afloat for a long time to come, decades at least.

But maybe there is a counter-point. A good form of ORG. I don't like the word evil - maybe it's just indifference - an incapability to think empathetically.

There does seem to be a force for Good thought though, which is way, way behind in the game right now, so will be it snuffed out? Or, so long as there is a flicker, there's a way back to truth?

I'm not so sure. Every ORG form exists because of the current system. It would be like a church saying, "You know what, there is no God. Big fake out on our part. But thanks for all the money and obedience! And come again next week for more!"

As you mentioned before, the internet/computers/AI is a double-edged-sword - so there's still The Refuser's edge to that sword. Total long-shot, but not impossible. Simple knowledge of the unreality of our existence, then at least partial abstention - more the merrier. Complicity is Bad ORG's life-blood.

And that's the thing! We're all complicit! It's like in that one interview where the guest pointed out to the host that if he, the host, could snap his fingers and end this control system, he wouldn't do it due to the immediate suffering it would cause, and the host agreed. So, in short, we're slaves, slaves kept comfortable enough and fearful enough not to try to escape.

I continue to entertain Game-simulation as a logical explanation. Everything you've posted about Natural Deflation v Fake Reality Inflation - we're living in an utterly unreal world. Either it is a game-simulation, or it's so much like one that it's a moot point.

That's a good point! It is a simulation, isn't it, regardless of the biology or lack thereof involved.

For a long time i thought Gravity must be GOD, but there's also a mental gravity ... laziness. Non-physical things that you should think about but couldn't be fucked.

Fear is a big one!

There's also, as you mention, your deep-state ORGS running disinformation to extend mind-control empires - The Church is but one classic example - a mega-powerful force of Unreality spouting a torrent of resistance trained on anyone questioning their projected version of reality.

The oldest profession - religion!

But maybe there is a counter-point. A good form of ORG. There does seem to be a force for Good thought, which is way, way behind in the game right now, so will be it snuffed out? Or, so long as there is a flicker, there's a way back to truth?

I'm not so sure. Every ORG form exists because of the current system. It would be like a church saying, "You know what, there is no God. Big fake out on our part. But thanks for all the money and obedience! And come again next week for more!"

Haha! The Church is a classic example of ORG-gone-bad, but to borrow from Lord Acton, is it a case of All ORG corrupts. Absolute ORG corrupts absolutely? Formosa Hut is a very small org. Would it end up becoming corrupt if it grew big enough?
Or maybe it's like Aristotle said, once an organization expands beyond the community polis level, beyond where its members can still have meaningful input, it accelerates toward corruption/increased control.

And that's the thing! We're all complicit! It's like in that one interview where the guest pointed out to the host that if he, the host, could snap his fingers and end this control system, he wouldn't do it due to the immediate suffering it would cause, and the host agreed. So, in short, we're slaves, slaves kept comfortable enough and fearful enough not to try to escape.

That's a crux point. But it doesn't necessarily have to be a snap of the fingers that changes everything - that's not how change usually works. Even earthquake storms come from pent up pressure. That pressure is still built incrementally.
Or we could be gradually weaned off it, same way we got into this pickle in the first place.
Most big changes, including Covid, start out as a soft-bang. Formosa Hut could be a tiny part in that collective subconscious groundswell.

If the above fails, there's still abstention. But maybe that's not even possible in this world where ORGS are all over your data/lives like a rash.
Short of going fully rogue & living like a yeti in a National Park ... actually even then they'd still track you down - you'd end up becoming a prime-time media story, as they hunt you down, Refuser-style.

Which only leaves option A: Truth finds a way ... somehow

Formosa Hut arrived at the ORG GODS conclusion deductively, independently, but we were not the first ones there, by a long-shot. Plato was there from the beginnings of western philosophical thought, Zhuang-zi before even then with his butterfly dreaming -then, a long stream of other thinkers unto this day.

One of those was Aldous Huxley (1894–1963). He has some observations on the subject of ORG as a nefarious force in this video. Equates population expansion with ORG control. It's exactly what it wants - there's a direct influence dilution for the individual being ravenously fed-off by ORG GODS. Humans are resource feeding the machine, making it stronger.

I've cut into the ORG ref (though the whole interview is great - including the interviewer), then it goes onto ORG GODS devices - TV image projecting tech, drug tech - all of which came to pass, according to script. (Which is potential evidence for game simulation.)

ORG is a real entity that has frightening control over our Truman-lives. It can derail reality - splice in its own fake-self-serving version - then loop it. It's what it does best.

Huxley's other big revelation was that as it happens, a significant majority of people will want it to happen, welcome its control.

https://youtu.be/alasBxZsb40?t=303

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