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Vaccine Data War 2021 - AstraZeneca Useless against Variants (General)

by dulan drift, Monday, February 08, 2021, 17:12 (26 days ago)

(continuation from here: http://formosahut.com/forum/index.php?id=2549)

As you note, Covid vaccines are on this same path. When you filter through all the triumphant drug propaganda you get to this:

"The Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine does not appear to offer protection against mild and moderate disease caused by the viral variant first identified in South Africa, according to a study due to be published on Monday.

In both the human trials and tests on the blood of those vaccinated, the jab showed significantly reduced efficacy against the 501Y.V2 viral variant, which is dominant in South Africa, according to the randomised, double-blind study."

"Nineteen of the 748 people in the group that was given the vaccine were infected with the new variant, compared with 20 out of 714 people in the group that was given a placebo."

We deduced as such from the equivocating language used for several weeks regarding effectiveness against variants - now it's finally being admitted...

"Shortly after South Africa received one million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, disappointing trial results showed it’s ineffective against the country’s variant."

Another example of the experts gilding the lily/spreading misinformation to suit their own vested interests?

If it doesn't work against variants - it doesn't work against Covid. Might vaguely slow it down on a few graphs for a few months but not ultimately. But still works as a money-spinner just fine - in fact it works even better.

"More than one billion doses are due to go to low- and middle-income countries."

Even now, any admission of inefficacy is hurriedly followed by the claim that they will provide an update "patch" that may or may not work.

"Experts say vaccines could be redesigned and tweaked."

Then we'll provide another redesign when that redesign doesn't work and so on...

Will these new vaccines go through all the trials - or will we skip that bit?

How about those who have already taken the useless one? Do they take another one? What's the effect of taking multiple vaccines in a short timeframe? Especially on the elderly - the ones we're trying to protect?

How about your Vaccine Passport? For travel and getting a job etc? If you've taken the useless one, does that still count?

In GoF experiments viruses will be artificially subjected to immune pressure to get them to mutate - did the immune pressure applied through the trials contribute to the creation of new variants? The trials were conducted in SA, Brazil, and the UK - all these places have produced successful variants - is that a coincidence?

Or should we just shut up now and take it?

Vaccine Data War 2021 - Aus to use AstraZ regardless

by dulan drift, Tuesday, February 09, 2021, 06:17 (25 days ago) @ dulan drift

"Health Minister Greg Hunt said he had received advice from Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly as well as the Science and Technical Advisory Group, chaired by Health Department secretary Brendan Murphy, that there was “no evidence” the vaccine would be ineffective against severe disease and death from COVID-19 regardless of the variants." (paywall)

Paul Kelly is Australia's Peter Daszak - whatever he says you can assume the opposite.

The 'no evidence' claim stems from the fact that the latest study results that showed AstraZeneca was ineffective against preventing mild to medium Covid symptoms was carried out on under 65's.

As over 65's are the only ones prone to severe symptoms there were no significant levels of severe disease reported in either the control group or the jab group.

A normal person would conclude that seeing how it doesn't prevent mild to medium symptoms it probably doesn't prevent severe symptoms either. Therefore we can stop giving it to people - at least until studies on over 65's are done.

But our intrepid health experts insist that it's full-steam ahead:

Health Minister, Greg Hunt: “The advice is very, very clear and that is there’s currently no evidence to indicate a reduction in the effectiveness of either the AstraZeneca or the Pfizer vaccines in preventing severe disease and death.”

“(O)ur fundamental direction is absolutely clear. The vaccine program in Australia continues to be on track.” (even if it is useless and possibly dangerous)

So this is the standard for vaccine testing now - if the tests haven't been done - therefore there is no evidence that it doesn't work - therefore it's fine!

Let's not forget that a bunch of countries including Germany, France, and Sweden have banned AstraZeneca for over 65's due to safety and/or inefficacy reasons.

Vaccine Data War 2021 - Aus to use AstraZ regardless

by dan @, Friday, February 12, 2021, 18:06 (22 days ago) @ dulan drift

Yeah, this tone is completely irresponsible and it's going to come back to bite them on the ass ... or maybe not considering on how adept they are at playing the media.

I've always said that I would have far more respect for and trust in these scientists if they would just come out and say, OK, we have no data on the long term effects of these vaccines, but we think....

But no, they don't do that. They simply say, these vaccines are safe. They even go on to say that they have passed trials as rigorous as any vaccine, which is just a silly statement. If they would just be honest, I would have more trust and be more willing to take the vaccine.

But when they lie, that causes me to call into question their science.

They have zero data on long term effects; therefore, they cannot have scientific evidence that these new generation vaccines have no negative long term effects.

AstraZeneca to Test on Children

by dulan drift, Sunday, February 14, 2021, 15:05 (20 days ago) @ dan

"A new trial is to test how well the Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine works in children.

Some 300 volunteers will take part, with the first vaccinations in the trial taking place later in February.

Researchers will assess whether the jab produces a strong immune response in children aged between six and 17."

This is another situation where you need input from an ethicist.

Is it ethical to inject children with an experimental drug that doesn't work? (using the logic that if it doesn't work against variants it doesn't work against Covid)

Especially as children either don't catch Covid to begin with or it's asymptomatic/harmless?

So their natural immune system is already working brilliantly.

Why would you inject that with an immune system altering drug (that doesn't work)?

The other point is, why are pregnant women being offered the vaccine - given there are no studies on children?

AstraZeneca to Test on Children

by dan @, Sunday, February 14, 2021, 19:47 (20 days ago) @ dulan drift

Is it ethical to inject children with an experimental drug that doesn't work? (using the logic that if it doesn't work against variants it doesn't work against Covid)

Especially as children either don't catch Covid to begin with or it's asymptomatic/harmless?

So their natural immune system is already working brilliantly.

Why would you inject that with an immune system altering drug (that doesn't work)?

And this is the point. Children don't need the vaccine, period. This virus is not a threat to children, whereas a vaccine is, at the very least, more of a threat to children than the virus.

My guess is that they hope to prove that the vaccine is relatively safe for children; therefore, all children should be vaccinated -- against this virus that poses little if any threat to them.

We're heading down a very slippery slope here I'm afraid.

The Variants

by dulan drift, Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 12:21 (18 days ago) @ dan

My guess is that they hope to prove that the vaccine is relatively safe for children; therefore, all children should be vaccinated -- against this virus that poses little if any threat to them.

We're heading down a very slippery slope here I'm afraid.

But think of the money!

Variants

There appears to be 3 main variants - UK, SA, and Brazil. (Is it racist to call these variants by their country origins?) There are some remarkable coincidences connecting the three.

1. All three broke out in the countries where the AstraZeneca trials were conducted. The trials began in late June. The variants were first detected from July in Brazil, September in the UK, and October in SA.

2. Despite the random nature of mutations, we've "started to see some striking evolution of SARS-CoV-2 with a repeated evolutionary pattern in the SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern emerging from the UK, South Africa and Brazil" (Trevor Bedford, geneticist).
Brazilian researchers also reported "The recent emergence of variants (in UK, SA, Brazil) with multiple shared mutations potentially associated with an increase in transmissibility or propensity for re-infection of individuals."

In other words, these three variants on three different continents have undergone mutations in the spike protein in very similar ways.

This makes me wonder:

Is that in response to the same immune pressure?

Will the net result of the immune pressure applied by vaccines be to produce new variants that are impervious to those vaccines?

Where would that leave us?

AstraZeneca side-effects

by dulan drift, Monday, February 22, 2021, 06:21 (12 days ago) @ dulan drift

"Health authorities in some European countries are facing resistance to AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine after side-effects led hospital staff and other front-line workers to call in sick.

"Health authorities in France have issued guidance to stagger giving the shot, two regions in Sweden paused vaccinations, and in Germany some essential workers are refusing it."

"The Sormland and Gavleborg regions (Sweden) said that around 100 out of 400 people vaccinated had reported fever or fever-like symptoms."

I don't know why AstraZeneca hasn't been dumped. You have to assume it's just to do with money.

It's not effective against variants, it causes side-effects that are comparable to catching Covid, and there's no safety data for pregnant women, over 65's, or long term effects.

Are authorities really going to enforce a vaccine passport based on that?

Taiwan poll on getting vaccine

by dulan drift, Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 17:11 (10 days ago) @ dulan drift

"A survey of Taiwanese adults this month showed that more than 60 percent are willing to be vaccinated against COVID-19, but just 1 percent would accept China-made vaccines, the Chinese-language Global Views monthly magazine said.

If the vaccinations are funded by the government, 60.3 percent of respondents said they would get the inoculation, 32.7 percent would not and 7 percent said they had not yet decided.

Of those willing to be vaccinated, 65.4 percent of men said they would get the vaccine, while only 55.5 percent of women welcomed it.

Recently i often find myself in the minority opinion but i'd be part of the 99% not willing to take a vaccine from China.

Interesting that the overall figures reflect significant hesitancy compared to other countries. Only 55% of women are willing to take it.

Taiwan was right about not trusting WHO/CCP's word on the virus back in the beginning - is it worth heeding their caution on vaccines?

Israel Vaccine Efficacy Data

by dulan drift, Sunday, February 28, 2021, 12:13 (6 days ago) @ dulan drift

Given Israel has the highest rate of vaccination, it offers the best 'real-world' data on efficacy.

But to get that you have to filter through the propaganda headlines like this:

"Israeli data suggest mass vaccinations led to drop in severe Covid cases"

Here's the actual data that headline was based on:

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The dark blue represents under 50's. The lighter blue is over 70's of whom 84.3% have had two shots of Pfizer. The graph shows the number of patients who required a ventilator as an indication of severe disease.

In fact, there's no significant reduction - there's been an increase in severe disease for over 70's since vaccines began with a slight tapering in the last few days of the study - but nothing you could draw conclusions about.

The headline was contrived using a dodgy twisting of stats represented by the black line. Basically it says that the number of under 50's requiring a ventilator has increased faster than the number of over 70's (both of which have increased steadily), so this is used to argue that the rate of severe disease in over 70's has dropped relative to the rate of increase in under 50's. That's the only way the researchers could wring something vaguely positive out of the data.

Again, this dishonesty was perpetrated by scientists then duly disseminated by the media.

There should have been two stories from the study with the following headlines:

Severe disease increases in over 70's despite vaccine

Alarming jump in severe disease in under 50's

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