No matter who makes the devices, they're all going to engineer their own totalitarian controls into the hardware.

We truly are so fucked.

Good point. As we've discussed, there is a controlling force that goes beyond state borders or politics. The deployment of AI is good example of that.

They clearly are dominating, as a well-thought-out strategy, & reality, but the consequences are scary. Apart from the tracking, apparently the explosive capability in the Mossad pager terrorist attacks were lying dormant for up to 10 years before they were detonated. Lot more places to hide dormant weapons in cars than pagers. If not explode, than at least the ability to shut down on command. You'd be negligent in your duty as a CCP higher-up if you didn't implant some kind of cyber-weapon capability.

Noted, and all good points. Unfortunately, I would argue, we're fucked no matter who makes the devices because they're all going to engineer their own totalitarian controls into the hardware.

We truly are so fucked.

It says AI warned one guy (who died) to keep his hands on the wheel & stay alert 19 times. Which makes me wonder, what's the point of a driverless vehicle if you need to keep your hands on the wheel & stay alert. That's what i do in my normal car. On one hand, AI lulls you into ceding control/influence over your environment, but when things go wrong in that lulled-out world, it's all your fault.

It also opened my eyes to the different techs involved in driverless vehicles. Tesla has gone the cheapest option.

As for wishing China swamps him - firstly, his product is already made in China, so he kinda is China already - secondly, be careful what you wish for. As the video says, cars now are basically mobile computer pods. Not sure i want CCP dominating that.

They clearly are dominating, as a well-thought-out strategy, & reality, but the consequences are scary. Apart from the tracking, apparently the explosive capability in the Mossad pager terrorist attacks were lying dormant for up to 10 years before they were detonated. Lot more places to hide dormant weapons in cars than pagers. If not explode, than at least the ability to shut down on command. You'd be negligent in your duty as a CCP higher-up if you didn't implant some kind of cyber-weapon capability.

- testing of raw materials
- the entire manufacturing process, including the manufacturing of the robot that will manufacture the vehicle (i.e., plane, car)
- testing of vehicle operation and safety
- training of AI piloting

And that's just for starters. So as humans are less hands on, we'll be handing over the entire manufacturing and operation of our vehicles to AI. They'll have to keep some people involved just to have someone to blame!

Here's an insightful video about Tesla safety. This is one time I'm rooting for Chinese industry. I hope they knock him out of the car business just because he's such an arrogant prick.

Supposedly the official investigation will take years to complete, but for sure those at the top already know what happened. I don't buy the 'lone bird' theory. The implications are that any plane could crash if it hits a single bird - it doesn't make sense.

Apparently there has been another landing gear failure with the same airline since the crash.

Jeju Air Flight 7C101 departed from Gimpo International Airport at 6.37am local time, but was forced to return shortly after takeoff after a “mechanical defect” was found with the landing gear.

Boeing (or their passengers) would not want another twin disaster on their hands. If there's a system fault at play, i hope there's a lot more transparency than last time.

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — A passenger plane burst into flames Sunday after it skidded off a runway at a South Korean airport and slammed into a concrete fence when its front landing gear apparently failed to deploy, killing most of the 181 people on board, in one of the country’s worst aviation disasters.

Raises a shitload of questions relevant to this thread. Wouldn't there be a warning sign saying landing gear failed to open? Will it somehow be attributed to 'human error'? The pilot forgot to open the landing wheels?

Indeed. How could they not be aware that the landing gear had not deployed? The video sure seems to confirm the absence of landing gear.

I'm sure I've been on planes where you could actually watch the landing gear deploying from your seat monitor. Can you imagine tuning in to that channel, being a couple hundred feet in the air, descending quickly, and seeing no landing gear?

One question I have is, were the pilots depending on an AI-enhanced system? You're right regarding the 'human error' take. It will almost certainly be caused on that.

Raises a shitload of questions relevant to this thread. Wouldn't there be a warning sign saying landing gear failed to open? Will it somehow be attributed to 'human error'? The pilot forgot to open the landing wheels?

It's been touted as 'bird error' in that the plane was hit by birds - but that doesn't explain why there was no red-flashing light warning from the system saying you're about to land without the wheels down.

At least 176 people (of 181 on board) .. died in the fire. Emergency workers pulled two people, both crew members, to safety. Health officials said they are conscious and not in life-threatening condition.

That's remarkable - miraculous even. How do two people survive that - and not be in a life-threatening condition?

This won't be like some of the other disturbing/but non-fatal events we've recorded with Boeing, the ones where nobody died so it flies under the radar. There will be a big investigation. Curious to see how it unfolds.

Anyway you look at it though, it's a case of automation causing an undesirable outcome.

Either humans have become so lulled into automation that they've outsourced their brains to it (to the point they didn't realize the auto-pilot was even on! It's like a stoner movie), or: the machine ran amok. Or possibly a bit of both.

Interesting. I agree - an autopilot that sinks a ship isn't much of a pilot! But what stands out here for me is that they still blame human error and not the technology when obviously it's the technology that sank the ship.

No doubt we'll be blamed when we're hit by autonomous vehicles. I mean, we walked in front of them, after all!

Surprisingly quickly, a report has been released. Though it's a classic new-normal investigation where the guiding principle is ass-covering, not uncovering.

Rear Admiral Garin Golding: The direct cause of the grounding has been determined as a series of human errors which meant the ship’s autopilot was not disengaged when it should have been

That's a contradiction right there. It's human error coz the auto-pilot was engaged? A series of human-errors, no less. Wouldn't there be a switch & a large light on the dashboard to know whether the auto-pilot is on or not? How do a series of humans, tasked with sailing the ship, not know that? What's the point of them being on the ship if they don't?

There's gotta be a deeper explanation.

Rear Admiral Golding: The crew did not realise Manawanui remained in autopilot and, as a consequence, mistakenly believed its failure to respond to direction changes was the result of a thruster control failure.

Remaining in autopilot resulted in the ship maintaining a course toward land, until grounding and eventually stranding. (& sinking)

Whoops! I'd love to see the control cabin cctv leading up to it. I'm surprised auto-pilot doesn't have some mechanism for detecting land & not ploughing straight into it, but maybe it was just set for full-steam ahead.

Anyway you look at it though, it's a case of automation causing an undesirable outcome.

Either humans have become so lulled into automation that they've outsourced their brains to it (to the point they didn't realize the auto-pilot was even on! It's like a stoner movie), or: the machine ran amok. Or possibly a bit of both.

In related news, it seems the authorities have been reading your list of mishaps.

9 News: The US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is issuing "urgent safety recommendations" for some Boeing 737s, including the embattled 737 Max line, warning that critical flight controls could jam.

"Boeing's 737 flight manual instructs pilots confronted with a jammed or restricted rudder to 'overpower the jammed or restricted system (using) maximum force, including a combined effort of both pilots,'" the NTSB said.

That doesn't sound very safe. What if one of the pilots is a weakling?

As you mention, those are the symptoms you have right before your head explodes.
Would make a great disaster flick, but not a pleasant way to go in real life.

If this keeps happening with regularity, it will likely appear in a movie somehwere, perhaps like the unexplained death of drummers in Spinal Tap

Back to planes, why did it depressurize? Was it a system error, or some other reason?

Good question! It does seem to be happening with increasing frequency. And yet, as you point out, there is no serious coverage of this in the MSM.

... a Boeing plane did suffer yet another serious loss of pressure.
They lost pressure so quickly that brains almost exploded.

"Our ears just started hurting really, really bad. Everybody around us was grabbing their ears. People's ears started bleeding. People's noses started bleeding.

"I heard some air come out and then it started bubbling. It sounded like my ear was bubbling, my right ear. I touched my ear and there was blood coming out."[/i]

As you mention, those are the symptoms you have right before your head explodes.
Would make a great disaster flick, but not a pleasant way to go in real life.

The lack of media coverage is telling. It's not like it lacks shock-horror value, which the media loves, on an individual level, but when it draws attention to aberrant behaviour by ORG-GODS ...? It's over to Tom at the sports desk.

The Hollywood Slap was a classic example of diversion media - marked the last time the C-word was uttered on MSM, thereby shutting down the scandal of the century.

Back to planes, why did it depressurize? Was it a system error, or some other reason?

But the event is timely because indeed a Boeing plane did suffer yet another serious loss of pressure.
Delta flight makes emergency landing after pressure issue makes passengers' noses, ears bleed

Oddly, this doesn't seem to be making big headlines even though people were left with ears bleeding. In other words, they lost pressure so quickly that brains almost exploded.

The Boeing 737-900 was carrying 140 passengers when it returned to Salt Lake City and landed at 8:30 a.m. local time on Sunday.

"Our ears just started hurting really, really bad. Everybody around us was grabbing their ears. People's ears started bleeding. People's noses started bleeding," Jaci Purser told CNN.

"I heard some air come out and then it started bubbling. It sounded like my ear was bubbling, my right ear. I touched my ear and there was blood coming out," Purser added.

From CNN:

“I looked over at my husband, and he had both of his hands over his ears, you know, kind of leaning forward,” Allen said. “I looked about a row behind me, over on the other side of the aisle, and there was a gentleman that clearly had a very bad bloody nose, and people were trying to help him.”

No serious injuries? Define serious. I would think it's a fine line between bleeding ears, bleeding noses, and bleeding brains.

And yet this is a non-story. They probably got some extra peanuts before landing. Peanuts that, because they wouldn't have had an appetite. they could stick in their cranial orifices to stem the bleeding.

EDIT: The Boeing Diary has been updated.

Tried searching if QF 1871 was a Boeing, out of curiosity, but in a bunch of similar stories, it's not disclosed who made it.

Pilot announcement: Just to keep you in the loop, passing about 29,000 feet we lost pressurisation.

The pilot then executed an emergency descent to the nearest airport.

Just to keep the public in the loop, why did the plane lose pressurization? Why is the media keeping the maker a secret?

AI systems entail a lot of inter-dependent moving parts to make up a virtually driverless airplane. All working well, it might be brilliant, but if one of those parts goes AWOL, it has potential to crash the whole show, literally if it's a plane - which has already happened.

There appears to be a link between what's going on with Boeing & the rise of AI in general. A key part of this is that no-one is ever held responsible - which is asking for trouble. At that point, there's no way back.

It's Sounding Like Boeing's Starliner May Have Completely Failed

An unnamed "informed" source told Ars Technica that there's a greater than 50 percent probability that the stranded astronauts will end up leaving the International Space Station on a SpaceX Dragon capsule, with another unnamed person telling the news outlet that the scenario is highly likely.

The Starliner project has been cursed from the beginning, with delays and hardware issues during the development and production of the capsule, which has seen Boeing eating something like $1.6 billion in losses.

Despite technical troubles before the launch, NASA went ahead with Starliner's first crewed mission in June. While on approach towards the space station, Starliner experienced helium leaks and issues with its thrusters, forcing NASA and Boeing to delay its return back home with the astronauts so that engineers back on the ground could troubleshoot the problems.

Many signs are now pointing towards SpaceX rescuing the stranded astronauts, according to Ars. These signs include the space agency giving more than a quarter million dollars to SpaceX for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE," and SpaceX actively training for the likely situation of the company sending a Dragon capsule to the space station to bring the astronauts home.

It would be a bad look all around, because it would mean the American government had funneled a total of $5.8 billion into malfunctioning junk.

I'm doing my best to keep this page updated with Boeing snafus.

https://listed.to/p/MnwxY6fj3J

EDIT: Can you imagine being 150 above water and miles out from the airport?

After suddenly plunging 1500 ft! That's gotta be a freak-out if you're a passenger with a window seat.

July 14

FAA investigates Tampa-bound Southwest flight that plunged to 150 feet above water

A Southwest Airlines flight bound for Tampa International Airport descended rapidly on July 14, plunging more than 1,500 feet in just over a minute and coming within 150 feet of the surface of Tampa Bay. - Tampa Bay Times

The link to the list of 2024 Boeing incidents I posted earlier was messed up. This is the correct link:

https://listed.to/p/MnwxY6fj3J

EDIT: Can you imagine being 150 above water and miles out from the airport?

When it comes back up, an ongoing list for 2024 mishaps will be at https://listed.to/p/MnwxY6fj3J.

Given the revolving door nature of the US Corporatocracy, perhaps the acting director of the US Secret Service will soon switch positions with the CEO of Boeing!

But here's another entry ...

July 13: EVA flight No. BR05 took off from LAX International Airport at 1:03 p.m. local time, but about three hours into the flight began experiencing problems with the right engine and was forced to return. The Boeing 777-300ER arrived safely back at LAX at 9:32 p.m